Advanced Skills Course: Karen Pando-Mars, MFT

Befriending the AEDP Triangles: Using AEDP Representational Schemas to Scaffold the Therapist’s Presence, Persistence and Precision 

Presented by AEDP Faculty Member Karen Pando-Mars, MFT and Experiential Assistants

Friday December 8 –  Sunday December 10, 2023 | Three 5-hour days

Prerequisites: AEDP Advanced Skills Courses are for licensed practitioners who are Level 2 or above; See details further below.

Course Description:

The experiential focus in AEDP aims to harness positive neuroplasticity. Our effectiveness is tripled in its impact when we make use of the AEDP three representational schemas: The Triangle of Experience, the Self-Other-Emotion Triangle, and the Triangle of Relational Comparisons to guide our interventions and clinical decision making. Additionally, mapping out the insecure patterns of attachment on these three AEDP Triangle further informs and strengthens our therapeutic work. With the four-state transformational process map in the background, this course illustrates the value of these three triangles. Using clinical videotape, we will notice how they provide underlying structure for moment-to-moment therapeutic activities and fortify the AEDP therapist’s use of self: our sensitive attunement, potential blind spots.

Therapists’ use of self, and clarity of recognizing markers of our patient’s experience, play a huge part in how we attune to and engage with our patients: 1) how we perceive and respond to how they show up, 2) how we identify transformance motivational forces at play, and 3) how we search to discover the roots of each patient’s suffering and the dynamics that underlie their functioning. Understanding how each triangle provides a window into patterns of emotional regulation, internal working models and relational strategies will help us befriend the triangles: appreciating how they organize experience and help us to meet our clients and help them to feel met. How AEDP therapists lean into the AEDP transformational focus and make use of these three representational schemas maximizes our effectiveness to potentiate positive neuroplasticity in our patients. Orienting our interventions to their presenting pattern of attachment, helps each patient have the specific healing transformation they need.

We will have both didactic teaching with new video illustrations and experiential exercises guided by our dedicated and knowledgeable experiential assistants.

Course Objectives:

  • Describe the AEDP Triangle of Experience.
  • Describe Self-at-Best version of the AEDP Triangle of Experience.
  • Describe Self-at-Worst version of the AEDP Triangle of Experience.
  • Apply interventions to soften and bypass emotional defenses. 
  • Describe the Self-Other-Emotion Triangle. 
  • Describe Self-at-Best version of the AEDP Self-Other-Emotion Triangle.
  • Describe Self-at Worst version of the AEDP Self-Other-Emotion Triangles.
  • Apply interventions to soften and bypass relational defenses. 
  • Name multiple AEDP interventions to reduce anxiety.
  • Describe the AEDP Triangle of Relational Comparisons.
  • Role-play intervention strategies for reducing defenses and anxiety and processing emotion.

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Meet the Presenter

Karen Pando-Mars, MFT

Karen Pando-Mars, MFT, is a psychotherapist in San Rafael, California, and Senior Faculty of the AEDP Institute. She was irresistibly drawn to AEDP in 2005 and captivated by the depth and breadth of this transformational model. She immersed herself in training and consultation with Dr. Fosha and three years of core training with Dr. Frederick. Ms. Pando-Mars is one of the founders of AEDP West and chaired the AEDP Institute Education Committee from 2011-2018.  Since 2020, Ms. Pando-Mars is a member of the AEDP DBEI (Diversity, Belonging, Equity and Inclusion Committee). Ms. Pando-Mars’ passionate interest in what cultivates deep connection between Self and Other has been furthered by attachment theory and related neuroscience. She is known for her presence, warmth, and the clarity of her presentations. Videotapes of her clinical work are moving and inspiring examples of how AEDP explicit relational and experiential practices can help patients heal from relational trauma. (Read More…)


This is an Advanced Skills Course (not a seminar). Pre-requisites: you must be AEDP Level 2 or above meaning:

  • you must have completed Immersion, and
  • you must have also completed either Essential Skills (ES1), Core Training, or the equivalent in AEDP supervision (30 hours Small Group or 20 hours Individual)

If you have a question about the relevance of this course for you and/or your eligibility for this course please contact with your credentials before registering.

This course counts toward AEDP Certification

This course counts toward AEDP Certification. Any five modular Courses are considered the equivalent of any 10-Day Retreat-Style Course. Level 3+ AEDPers are encouraged to participate to earn CE’s while refreshing AEDP skills and reconnecting with faculty and community. Learn more here.

Course Location, Dates and Times 

Location: Live, Online

Dates (Three 5-hours day) : Friday December 8 –  Sunday December 10, 2023

Times for each session: 12:00 PM – 5:00 PM Eastern Time USA and Canada (go here to convert to your time zone)

Course Fee and Registration:

Registration Fee includes 17 CE Credits

  • $649 Member Price (must be logged in to register)
  • $679 Non-Member Price

Course Fee: Includes 85 CE*

Non-Member Registration: $3259 USD
Non-Member Registration with a payment plan: $3309 (requires a deposit of $500 due at registration and 8 monthly payments of $344.87 starting one month after your registration date)

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Continuing Education: This course is eligible for 17 CE

Outside of the U.S. and Canada:
Heisel and Associates holds no CE provider status with any other non-U.S. licensing/certification boards.

U.S. and Canada:
This training is co-sponsored by AEDP Institute and Heisel and Associates. To receive CE Participants must have:

  • Registered an account on the Heisel and Associates website (see below)
  • Attended the entire session (partial credit is not available)
  • Completed an evaluation

CE: If you would like CE credit for this training, you must create an account here or click on the button below. You will need your license information to create your account. You only need to create one account for all AEDP trainings.

Upon completion of the training complete these 5 easy steps to receive your CE certificate:

  • Log onto your Heisel and Associates account
  • Go to “My Account”
  • Click on “My Webinars”
  • Complete the eval
  • Download the certificate

American Psychological Association
Heisel and Associates is approved by the American Psychological Association to sponsor continuing education for psychologists. Heisel and Associates maintains responsibility for this program and its content.

Heisel and Associates, Provider Number 1253, is approved to offer social work continuing education by the Association of Social Work Boards (ASWB) Approved Continuing Education (ACE) program. Organizations, not individual courses, are approved as ACE providers. State and provincial regulatory boards have the final authority to determine whether an individual course may be accepted for continuing education credit. Heisel and Associates maintains responsibility for this course. ACE provider approval period: 5/3/2023 to 5/3/2026.

Heisel and Associates has been approved by NBCC as an Approved Continuing Education Provider, ACEP #6603. Programs that do not quality for NBCC credit are clearly identified. Heisel and Associates is solely responsible for all aspects of the programs.

This course has been approved by Heisel and Associates, an NAADAC Approved Education Provider, for educational credits. NAADAC Provider #111326, Heisel and Associates is responsible for all aspects of the programs.

New York:
New York Department of Education State Board for Psychology
New York Department of Education State Board for Social Work
New York Department of Education State Board for Mental Health Practitioners

Florida Board of Psychology
Florida Board of Clinical Social Work, Marriage & Family Therapy, and Mental Health Counseling

Ohio Psychological Association
Ohio Counselor, Social Worker, Marriage & Family Therapists BoardOhio Chemical Dependency Professionals Board

Kentucky Board of Examiners in Psychology
Kentucky Board of Social Work
Kentucky Board of Licensure of Marriage and Family Therapists

Indiana State Board of Psychology
Indiana Behavioral Health and Human Services Licensing Board

Heisel and Associates holds CE provider status for Canada.

Outside of the U.S. and Canada:
Heisel and Associates holds no CE provider status with any other non-U.S. licensing/certification boards.

It is the responsibility of attendees to contact their state licensing/certification board to determine if CE credit offered by Heisel and Associates meets the regulations of their state licensing/certification board.